A near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused


Ends and Beginnings

From Christianity Today…..this is BIG

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.

The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.

That said, we do feel it necessary from…

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8 thoughts on “A near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused

  1. Christianity Today and William Tell are totally off-target. First, since you linked to a piece which calls Franklin Graham a liar, on what basis do you make that accusation? Is it “Christian” to accuse somebody of lying without proof or because you disagree with his opinions? On what basis do you accuse Billy Graham of being too senile to know whom he was voting for? This kind of sloppy “argument” occurs in high school. It should not be fodder for serious discussion.

    Second, no evangelical leader I know lauds Trump for being a exemplary Christian. I can say without hesitation that if the president somehow became my pastor, I’d find another church to attend. I didn’t vote for a pastor, rabbi or imam. There is no perfect candidate, so you take the candidate who most closely aligns with your political views and you hold your nose if necessary. That’s what rank and file Democrats and Republicans have been doing for a long time.

    The president has appointed rock-solid judges who are committed to interpreting the law instead of legislating from the bench. Liberal activist judges have wreaked havoc on the rule of law and the constitutional order the Founders established. And they have given us the most abominable ruling of all: Roe v. Wade which legalized the murder of millions of babies. President Trump is also committed to border integrity which is of course a good thing because he is sworn to uphold the law. Limited resources demand regulated immigration, and erasing that standard hurts both the citizens of the host country and immigrants who come here legally.

    I could go down the line with respect to the military, education, foreign policy, the economy, etc., but the point is not to argue with you over these positions. The point is that most of these issues are traditional conservative politics. It therefore makes sense that conservative evangelicals would support a predominately conservative president over ultra-liberal Democrats. Again, voting for the candidate that espouses most if not all of your political views has been the practice of rank and file voters for a very long time. It is thus disingenuous for CT to pretend that it is or should be any different for evangelicals.

    1. Third comment.

      We’re going to disagree about some things.

      There are several speakers here, and we need to carefully distinguish who is saying what.  Ends and Beginnings is so obsessed with Trump hatred that I hardly read his posts any more.  I reblogged this one solely because CT was the source.

      The only POLICY disagreement I have with Trump is about the wall, and I regard that disagreement as not all that important.  I fervently believe in the rule of law, as it applies to the border or to anything else.

      There are two other things I strive to hold at-arms’-length apart: (1) that I regard him as PERSONALLY unfit for office and (2) the need for his removal from office.

      I’ll treat the second one first.

      EXACTLY like Bill Clinton, Trump has committed a high crime and needs to be removed from office.  Clinton needed to be removed from office; he needed to go to jail, just as I also have gone to jail.  It didn’t happen to Clinton, and it may not happen now.

      (Composed much later:)

      On re-reading the article and your comment, I need to re-direct my thought.  In the end, I may not agree with CT, either.

      They are at least in part responding to the personality cult.  Many, many people seem to little less than worship this mere man.  This is not good for the country.

      As for the rest, you raise some fascinating questions.  At what point does a skunk become unfit for office?  What does one really look for in a candidate?  I do not know.

      We have this locally.  I cannot find fault with anything Catherine Pugh did AS MAYOR.  But I do like Jack Young better.

  2. Well, it appears we mostly agree. I’d like to know what “high crime” President Trump has committed. None of the Articles of Impeachment accuse him of any crime, so even if you’re able to identify the crime he committed, he won’t be removed because of it due to the fact that the House didn’t impeach him over it.

    As to Trump worship, I know several religious leaders who are fervent fans of his, but they definitely do not worship him. The reason conservatives in general and perhaps evangelicals in particular like him so much is due to their extreme disappointment over supporting vanilla or RINO conservatives who campaign one way and serve another. They’re tired of supporting the “correct” candidate only to see him lose the national election. They’re tired offering candidates that the media “accepts” only to suffer another defeat at the polls. Their political agenda is just as important to them as it is to the Left, and they’ll support the candidate who’s able both to win and to implement their policy preferences.

    Enter Trump. I did not support him when he ran for the nomination back in ’16. My candidate was Ted Cruz. I considered Trump a liar, a fake and at the very least a poor representative of conservatism. However, he got the nomination, so my only choices were to vote for him, vote for a third-party candidate, or stay at home. There’s not a snowball’s chance in Riyadh that I would vote for that ghastly Hillary Clinton. So, I pinched my nose really tightly and voted for Trump.

    Since coming into office, Trump has won over skeptical conservatives by keeping his promises and fighting for his mostly conservative agenda. The fact that he won and that he is actually doing what he said he would do represents a sea change for rank and file Republicans, and that’s precisely why is base is so enthusiastically loyal. We just don’t see that very often in national politics, so it’s refreshing when it actually shows up.

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